Curse

smitty-gw · May 17, 2006, 12:10 PM // 12:10

/ signed.

cruzer · May 17, 2006, 07:25 PM // 19:25

/signed

Rogmar · May 17, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by midnight caretaker

Rogmar,
Dont take anything I write personally... (Also being asked WTF I was doing down there because I was not in tyour guys alliance among other not so nice words...This way you wouldnt be wasting your time farming all that faction either just a thought

Im from Chicago so the only team is DA BEARS

We don't let others in because of what we believe, we earned/grinded/farmed/whatever for access to the Deep without any outside donations (not that that's a bad thing) and so we reward those part of the alliance who contributed... On the other hand TC controls the Deep through public donations as well as their own in belief that everyone gets access (not that that's a bad thing either) Different beliefs, different rewards...
If TC wants to do it fine, but it doesn't mean everyone should expect us to...
As for the "What are you doing in the Deep?" attitude, we're trying to change that so bear with us...As with any group with certain beliefs there's always radicals

Griev · May 17, 2006, 11:54 PM // 23:54

/signed

Bartuc Galadwor · May 18, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

/signed

EtherealByte · May 18, 2006, 06:38 AM // 06:38

I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication.

Ethereal Bit
Canada
Thirty Thieves

achilles ankle · May 19, 2006, 02:11 AM // 02:11

This cannot be made available to all players or else nothing makes any sense anymore. I mean the actual definition of the word ELITE=The best or most skilled members of a group~from www.dictionary.com
The best. this refers to the best allaince as in the allaince that has the most faction and takes over cavalon.
The most skilled. If someone could start the game of factions, do all the missions, get to cavalon and just farm the deep over and over and over, that would not be fair to anyone. lets face it, the factions campagn can be completed in a little under 2 days of hard playing time. so getting to cavalon could be completed in less than a day. All i ask you is ~Should any person who can put in 1 days playing time be able to acess the most exclusive area in the game?
I completley agree with a previous post, forgive me for not knowing which one but it said sumthing along the lines of ~I have paid for my game and crystalline swords are in the game,so why cant i get one easily~ well as easily as it is to get into the deep ATM

this is completly true, u paid for a game to play, not to have the most elite items/features in the game( not saying u cant get the elite items/feature, but you gotta work for them)

just on a side note~ why no big hype over the kurzick elite mission?
~sry for any editing mistakes~

Buoyancy · May 19, 2006, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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Originally Posted by achilles ankle

This cannot be made available to all players or else nothing makes any sense anymore. I mean the actual definition of the word ELITE

I suppose you also think that Star Destroyers destroy stars. Or maybe that string beans are made out of string?

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If someone could start the game of factions, do all the missions, get to cavalon and just farm the deep over and over and over, that would not be fair to anyone.

Actually, that would be perfectly fair to everyone.

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lets face it, the factions campagn can be completed in a little under 2 days of hard playing time. so getting to cavalon could be completed in less than a day. All i ask you is ~Should any person who can put in 1 days playing time be able to acess the most exclusive area in the game?

Of course. It's not like them being able to access the area makes your accomplishment worth less. If you believe that it makes your accomplishment worth less, then you are the one who has the problem, not the game. You would need to reevaluate your choices without making the assumption that you are above average at making correct choices.

Rathma · May 19, 2006, 11:01 AM // 11:01

/signed

Pandora's box · May 19, 2006, 11:37 AM // 11:37

The mother of all space trading/combat games was called: Elite. Not because only elite players should play that game but because you got the chance to get an ***ELITE*** status by completing the game. I see it the same way with the elite missions. You don't need to be an elite player to play them, you get a chance to prove to be an elite player by completing them!

Ggraphix · May 19, 2006, 01:50 PM // 13:50

Sam
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Hunter Sharparrow · May 19, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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This cannot be made available to all players or else nothing makes any sense anymore. I mean the actual definition of the word ELITE=The best or most skilled members of a group~from www.dictionary.com
The best. this refers to the best allaince as in the allaince that has the most faction and takes over cavalon.
The most skilled.

It's already been established that farming is something that takes no skill but rather time to do it. So how is it that an alliance that is comprised of people with the free time make them skilled?

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If someone could start the game of factions, do all the missions, get to cavalon and just farm the deep over and over and over, that would not be fair to anyone

So you would rather not have to do all the missions, farm the faction quests over and over and over to get the access?

FeaR1 · May 20, 2006, 07:02 AM // 07:02

/not signed

zeroxy · May 20, 2006, 12:47 PM // 12:47

I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication.
Name:Ali Abdel-Razzak
IGN: Dazed Wookie
Region:America
Age:15
Guild:Furious an Righteous Mutiliators [FaRM]

Shizuka Gozen · May 29, 2006, 10:35 AM // 10:35

I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication.

Full Name: Peter Lun Situ
In Game Name: Peter Situ
Territory: America
Age: 16
Guild Name: Burning Sun Ninjas

Fitz Rinley · May 29, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication.

Full Name: Kenneth W. Slayor
In Game Name: Fitz Rinley
Territory: America
Age: 38
Guild Name: The Rusty Rose

Rikimaru · May 29, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

Why's everyone still signing this? They've announced already that they'll be fixing this.

Aera · May 29, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

People never read..too lazy -_-"

Fitz Rinley · May 29, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by Rogmar

We don't let others in because of what we believe, we earned/grinded/farmed/whatever for access to the Deep without any outside donations (not that that's a bad thing) and so we reward those part of the alliance who contributed... On the other hand TC controls the Deep through public donations as well as their own in belief that everyone gets access (not that that's a bad thing either) Different beliefs, different rewards...
If TC wants to do it fine, but it doesn't mean everyone should expect us to...
As for the "What are you doing in the Deep?" attitude, we're trying to change that so bear with us...As with any group with certain beliefs there's always radicals

I infact do not expect you to provide access to anyone. I affirmed before my G*d that anything that does not support the tenants of the Constitution of the United States is so abhorent as to be worth dying for. This is true whether it is in a government or a public practice (such as practiced in a game). I therefor oppose the very concept that people who purchase a product should interfere with or be interfered with by others who purchased that product. I find the core function of Faction and Favor to be elitest, self-serving, exclusionary, opposed to the idea of egalitee, and a betrayal of what my nation and its citizens ought to stand for.

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Originally Posted by achilles ankle

This cannot be made available to all players or else nothing makes any sense anymore. I mean the actual definition of the word ELITE=The best or most skilled members of a group~from www.dictionary.com
The best. this refers to the best allaince as in the allaince that has the most faction and takes over cavalon.

How does mindless hours of faction farming, botting for gold to buy it with, or taking/purchasing donations from thousands of players make one the best? Why do people feel they are improved, or made better as persons, because they control the recreational possibilities of others who also paid for the game?

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The most skilled. If someone could start the game of factions, do all the missions, get to cavalon and just farm the deep over and over and over, that would not be fair to anyone.

There are several ways of aproaching the term fair. Fair can mean something which looks good, and opening the missions looks good to many. Fair can mean something that is promising, and opening up the missions would be fair to many as a sign of good faith and opportunities to ct on their own capacity. Fair can mean ''having or exhibiting a disposition that is free of favoritism or bias; impartial,'' and the current system certainly is biased against casual players who have other obligations in life besides ignoring their parents assigned tasks and doing a few pages of homework. Fair may also mean being just to all parties; equitable. As no single person or small guild may ever gain access in and of their own right in competition against a 1,000 person AFF (Alianc eFaction Farm) the system for restriction is not just, equitable, or fair to all parties. It may also indicate being in accordance with relative merit or significance. Faction is not in accord with relative merit as the dollares spent by those who have access are accorded more merit than the dollars of those purchasing the same content. It may mean something lawful to hunt or attack, meaning to do. The rules prevent me from being able to do so on my own and therefor I am not permitted to do these missions. Fair has also meant free of obstacles, and mission access is no where near free of obstacles. (Obstacles are not near as much an issue as barriers.) So far in very important ways, the keeping of restriction is in fact unfair.

It is consistent with the current rules, so also were other things we now decry as wrong. It maybe by fair you mean ''moderately good'' or ''acceptable.'' It is not acceptable to many, but may be rated moderately good in some venues or horendous in others. The concept is superficially appealing, without deeper analysis of what I mentioned above.

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the factions campagn can be completed in a little under 2 days of hard playing time. so getting to cavalon could be completed in less than a day. All i ask you is ~Should any person who can put in 1 days playing time be able to acess the most exclusive area in the game?

Should any person who can put in one day playing time be able to deny access to other people with real lives, real jobs, real families, because they could not? And WTH makes exclusivity so important? Why are you so much more valuable to humanity than everyone else that puts their pants on one leg at a time? If you die today is the Sun supposed to stop rotating and the earth fall out of the solaar system?

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I completley agree with a previous post, forgive me for not knowing which one but it said sumthing along the lines of ~I have paid for my game and crystalline swords are in the game,so why cant i get one easily~ well as easily as it is to get into the deep ATM this is completly true, u paid for a game to play, not to have the most elite items/features in the game( not saying u cant get the elite items/feature, but you gotta work for them)

This is false logic which you picked up. You will note the inclusion of the word easily. Your source made an invalid assumption as to the nature of casual players. They are assuming that by casual one must mean undedicated, unskilled, and lazy. Their assumption is wrong. Crystalin swords are obtainable thru HoH, SF, UW, and FoW by anyone who goes there. One does not even have to be ascended in two fo those cases. It is however a false analogy to compare access to possession of these weapons which may come from any chest in those areas for anyone who opens that chest, to Alliance, Faction, and Favor. Thru Faction a faction farming alliance may exclude fellow players from play. Based on the current system, should I purchase a home, I ought to be allowed to deny you use of your kitchen because I also purchased a home. Favor has always been wrong. If favor is correct, then let us assign an equally distant few to most of humanity to do something similar. Let's have all size 22 glass-bead manufacturing specialists play odd-man out to decide who may watch the news when the sun is setting in their time zone.

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just on a side note~ why no big hype over the kurzick elite mission?

I have not hyped anything halfway. Let me assure you I totally and thoroughly oppose the use of Faction, Favor, and Alliances to denigrate others and deny them access to content.

Fitz

Pimp Named Slickback · Jun 01, 2006, 03:06 AM // 03:06

I agree that elite missions should be made much more readily available to all players of all levels of dedication."

Ike Sowon
Pimp Named Slikback
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